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Title: don't rent referals
Post by: chan2020 on July 23, 2009, 07:32:04 AM
Important points to earn well on ptc.

1,Don't rent referrals and upgrade on any site you join.
2,Only give more priority to the sites which allows unlimited direct referrals
3,If you want to get referrals, exchange in ptc forums.
4,Check this forum for the referral offers.
5,When you want to join a site, check this forum whether any referral exchange or offer available for that site.  Because joining under our member is better than joining under someone else as it will help you and them.
6,If you want to join some site,  create a new topic
For e.g.: I am going to join ___.  If anyone already member on that site, please give your username.  I will join under you.
        
           It will help them and also you in the future. ;D
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: PapaiMark on July 23, 2009, 01:51:21 PM
Mmm.
IF I
wooould
join mic-promotion or tuiibux, which sit of my blog
wooould
you join, for e.g.?
 ::)
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: sabbie on July 25, 2009, 12:23:11 AM
Important points to earn well on ptc.

1,Don't rent referrals and upgrade on any site you join.
2,Only give more priority to the sites which allows unlimited direct referrals(e.g.mic-promotion)
3,If you want to get referrals, exchange in ptc forums.
4,Check this forum for the referral offers.
5,When you want to join a site, check this forum whether any referral exchange or offer available for that site.  Because joining under our member is better than joining under someone else as it will help you and them.
6,If you want to join some site,  create a new topic
For e.g.: I am going to join tuibux.  If anyone already member on that site, please give you username.  I will join under you.
       
           It will help them and also you in the future. ;D

Great advice  ;D
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: Spawn on July 25, 2009, 07:54:34 AM
I'll add, before joining a user offer check if he's a trustworthy member...
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: taztheone on October 13, 2009, 09:40:46 PM
Well said. :) Some simple basic things to stay safe with a PTC site. 8)
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: chan2020 on November 25, 2009, 03:49:57 PM
Mmm.
IF I
wooould
join mic-promotion or tuiibux, which sit of my blog
wooould
you join, for e.g.?
 ::)

I can join any of two sites in your blog, but unfortunately you can't join tuibux and mic-promotion! :) ;)
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: ZdAries on December 04, 2009, 11:05:19 AM
This really doesn't apply to everyone, since there are other people who have already registered with more than 5 PTCs and they don't have enough time for another PTC just for one referral. So can't just tell everyone "don't rent referrals".
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: reidg on December 06, 2009, 06:45:11 PM
i rent referrals on neobux and it works fine, but I would avoid it on other sites.
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: fjworld on December 11, 2009, 01:02:36 AM
Renting referrals adds risk but there are ways to mitigate risk.

So I would not agree with the statement not to rent referrals. It depends on the site since referrals give you leverage and greater earning power.
Title: Re: don't rent referrals
Post by: 123 on February 14, 2010, 09:04:07 PM
Quote from: fjworld link=topic=7828.msg 43789#msg 43789 date=1260493356
Renting referrals adds risk but there are ways to mitigate risk.

So I would not agree with the statement not to rent referrals. It depends on the site since referrals give you leverage and greater earning power.

i agree with you ,depend on the site and the price
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: vman on April 19, 2010, 07:09:14 AM
Rent referral only on trusted site!!
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: Rainbowcolours on April 20, 2010, 03:02:40 AM
and what are these "trusted sites" ?  :o
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: ghosthun7er on May 03, 2010, 05:33:13 PM
can you tell me how to get more direct referrals? i mean more than 1 (from referral exchange or downline builder)
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: sabbie on May 04, 2010, 02:15:54 PM
can you tell me how to get more direct referrals? i mean more than 1 (from referral exchange or downline builder)

never rent referrals coz bots are coded to make admins rich, not you  :D

downline builders are good but will never get you more than 1 ref

ref exchange might get you a few active refs but you will be wasting a lot of time clicking on possible scams that will never  pay you

the only way to get a lot of real and hopefully active refs is to advertise  ;)



Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: edmar on May 09, 2010, 03:11:52 PM
i am earning a relatively higher amount renting referrals in neobux compared to not renting at all.....besides rental values is much lower than other PTC sites which cost .60 for most sites while i can have it for 20 cents per referral in neobux
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: Rainbowcolours on May 10, 2010, 02:21:57 AM
it makes a difference depending on your membership as well. i'm pretty sure free members don't rent refs for 20 ea.
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: vbn4 on June 19, 2010, 11:18:28 AM
its true that u shuould not buy more referrals if u dont know if the site is trusted or not...............bcoz i rented a referral for 60 cents in GAGABUX and i got no profit >:( :-&....beside i got loss..
BUT NEOBUX IS THE BEST BECAUSE IT USES REAL PEOPLE AS REFERRALS NOT BOTS :)
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: hotshot8 on June 19, 2010, 11:46:21 AM
^How sure are you that Neo doesn't use mathematical calculations for the rented referrals?  :)
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: PapaiMark on June 19, 2010, 08:48:13 PM
Neo´s bots study:
http://www.talkptc.com/index.php?topic=16099.0
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: hendryap on June 23, 2010, 10:32:21 AM
i'm neobux member, i think rented referral for standard member is not really worth. i rent first 10 referral and the avg click rate is unbelievable low. highest rate is 2 and only from 2 ref, the others is between 0.5 and 1.5. this stat from my first 10 day of rent. i'm 100% sure neobux sells bots for the referrals.  >:(
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: hotshot8 on June 26, 2010, 05:54:38 AM
^ I agree. If you are a standard member only, it is really not worth renting referrals. Take this from us, standard users who have tried this and lost their monies. :)
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: ranjiths on June 21, 2011, 01:13:57 PM
Referrals are mostly bots designed to profit the webmaster.
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: PapaiMark on June 21, 2011, 02:14:59 PM
If I had a ptc;
I would sell refs
For what?

To easily give my profit to members?
To promote the site and bring more members that would rent more refs and make me lose more money?

Refs are made to bring profit to the site.
Whatever bots or no, they are managed in price, duration or activity in order to profit the site.
I don´t understand why members discuss it so hard,
once the principle is so simple.
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: Aracus on June 22, 2011, 03:48:09 AM
how about when the site's admin says this:
Quote from:   BANANABUX FORUM
As you all recall, I promised to always be honest with you!

So today I decided to tell the truth about the sites of PTC, namely - Rent referrals)

Many people ask questions like:

Why does my referal just one or 2 clicks a day?
How is this possible?
live person will always pressed 4 links or no clicks)

Some people still believe that people living in rented neobux and other sites in PTC, but I want to disappoint you) - all PTC use bots - system - which is configured, administrators, as they need it!

As far as I know: Bots - the system does not use only the sites on the script PTCevolution - as the developer of the script - does not provide this!

Is it bad?

No! That's good! Bots - the system allows the site to PTC - make ongoing investments, I have worked on many sites - and where admins were trying to sell only real referrals - they have nothing in the end did not go - referrals quickly bought and was a constant shortage - the result that investment is declining - and site becomes nothing to pay...

Why am I saying this?

Opening bananabux - I first checked that the script is "Zeus"- just use bots for sale ...

Yes bananabux use bots - and I want to say that it is very good for both users and for me ..

Now the good news)

I want to share with you my plans - we will always sell only active referrals.

AVG which will never be below 2.0 and maximum 3.0 for all types of memberships ...

How active are our referrals you can see by reading some interesting topics here...
This activity will help us get from our users is a good investment - and keep bananabux online - many months and possibly years)

Now I want to show you how much you can earn from renting bananabux our referrals:
(http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i362/Aracuscesar/2wp6tc1.png)


Prices looking just fine, and you may find it is not stable! But do not forget that to get such a profit need to constantly invest - as rental referrals available at intervals of 4 to 7 days - you constantly have to renew the previous referrals), and thus on the site are continuous investment - which is the guarantor of a long and stable operation !


I want to thank all you for your trust in us and continued support - I'm sure that soon we will achieve incredible results ...

And thats it
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: PapaiMark on June 22, 2011, 03:57:38 AM
I am not site owner to judge the details but I can say one thing:

This is innovation,
a needful ingredient in business.
And so,  he is selling his fish.

+1 for this suitable post. ;)  :-bd
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: hjf040790 on June 22, 2011, 07:56:07 AM
At least BananaBux had the guts to admit they're using bots.
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: spycheckerz on June 25, 2011, 03:26:33 PM
It depends on the site and your membership because some sites have bots and standard members get payed much less than upgraded members.
Title: Re: don't rent referrals
Post by: PayingSitesReview on June 27, 2011, 03:43:17 PM
Quote from: fjworld link=topic=7828.msg 43789#msg 43789 date=1260493356
Renting referrals adds risk but there are ways to mitigate risk.

So I would not agree with the statement not to rent referrals. It depends on the site since referrals give you leverage and greater earning power.

i agree with you ,depend on the site and the price


Yea definitely it depends a great deal on the site. Obviously you shouldnt  try and rent on a brand new site because it might go under soon.
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: PapaiMark on June 27, 2011, 05:20:02 PM
Yes, clickers may profit in sites that belong to stupid admins  ;D
Quote
If I had a ptc;
I would sell refs
For what?

To easily give my profit to members?
To promote the site and bring more members that would rent more refs and make me lose more money?

Refs are made to bring profit to the site.
Whatever bots or no, they are managed in price, duration or activity in order to profit the site.
I don´t understand why members discuss it so hard,
once the principle is so simple.
Very few people make the maths in order to realize if they profited or just matched.
They usually shows great payment proofs but never shows the investiment/time/profit compared with non-rented.
The few ones that dare to make the maths, realized loss of money.
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: PayingSitesReview on June 28, 2011, 09:01:50 PM
6,If you want to join some site,  create a new topic
For e.g.: I am going to join ___.  If anyone already member on that site, please give your username.  I will join under you.

This part gave me an idea and I made a post in the referral offer section like this, everyone should check it out. I even got it stickied thanks to Aurora!!
The sticky post is at the top of referral offers section or here (http://www.talkptc.com/index.php?topic=30213.0). Need to get it more active so we can get it to stay there. Thats the deal I got with Aurora, make it active and it can stay. So lets get this post going =)
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: BorisBox on October 29, 2011, 07:38:38 AM
yea ...rented referrals can sometimes be a bait for a bunch of $$$ and than site shuts down :S
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: jettclicker on January 17, 2012, 05:27:13 AM
I got some referrals from neobux.  At first it seems nice and i can get my investment back, but as times go by, the referrals click lesser :(
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: riggamortice on January 18, 2012, 03:31:27 PM
Renting referrals is one of those things... looked like a good idea at the time! I was surprised when I first saw the Neobux forums... getting rentals to work for you I think will be a fine art!

It's great when guys post daily stats when they're building. Anywhere that offers referrals the referrals become a key part of the investment.
 
A guy on ImperiaBux posted daily stats for a month, starting with 550 rented refs with a 'profit' of $4. He is listed as a Diamond member so his refs cost him $0.38 each - $209 a month. He posted 1121 clicks averaging 2.38. Multiply 1121 by the Diamond referal earnings of .01 and you get total earning of... $11.21

So at the end of the month he'll have made $336-$209 = 127.3

Now  lets say this guy holds his 550 rented referrals and doesn't do anything for the next twelve months. Lets also assume those 550 referrals average 1121 clicks per day over that twelve months, and that he hasnt had to pay to recycle any of those 550 (yeah right).

His costs for the year are - Diamond package (400), 550 referrals (209*12=2508)
His sales are $4032, leaving him with an annual return of $1124.

As it stands this man could make $1124 from a $2908 investment. This means roughly 40% return on investment. You will not find this level of return in the stock market.

If anyone is interested I can post a similar thing for other sites if I can find the available information.
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: PapaiMark on January 19, 2012, 10:41:42 AM
I am not very fan of examples because they can be exceptions.
My point of view is based in logics.
So, this is just an illustration:

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-PjPCKM-gobo/TxfwbQfujWI/AAAAAAAAC4k/4y9FtK9ZT9U/s800/Neobots.gif)

We all know that neo shows more than 4 ads in one go but
why the (imagine a bad word) would all members click exactly 4 ads day?

I still say that people that say that earn real profit just don't do the correct maths.

I rented these with neopoints (what else could I do?)
A bad example given by the site.
It shows me that this is just a controlled board and that I would be a (imagine another bad word) if I spend my money renting refs.
Now they want us to click for free in a game of ads (basically the same clixgrid idea)

If the site want us to be happy and earn, give us money, cash !
instead of a chance of losing it.
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: riggamortice on January 21, 2012, 12:56:04 AM
Ok what do you think classifies as a click? I clicked on 15 advertisements on Neobux today, but it shows me as having 5 clicks today. How are clicks calculated?

As I understand it, a click is the value of a Standard Exposure. You're 20 referrals made 72 clicks in two days, averaging 36 clicks a day which is an AVG of 1.8.

But are you making money?

If you are a standard member you will be earning .005 from each of those clicks. In order to cover the cost of those 20 referrals, assuming you've purchased for one month, you'll need to make 13.3 cents per day. Which interestingly correlates to an AVG of 1.33.

Seeing as this is your only cost, you are doing well. If you have however paid for membership, the cost of the membership will be added, which brings up the required AVG.

If you maintain this AVG you will make about 5c profit each day. However the AVG is variable.
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: PapaiMark on January 21, 2012, 04:33:21 AM
 :mmmm that was useful.
Before renting those refs I finally, after all these years, visited their forum but found relevant questions full of useless responses of happy members.

I got the data from the first day and will calculate by the end of these 30 days what happens.

If neo´s owner is so smart as it seems, he will give me a relevant profit,
hoping that next time I spend my own money renting refs. Then things can be a little different...  ::dreams

I will wait.
Thanks for the answer.
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: riggamortice on January 21, 2012, 10:20:46 PM
Not a worry, I found it difficult to find useful info on their forum as well.. but the posters who do post stats every day generally provide enough info to do the math with.

You really want to get the required AVG down as low as you can. While it is great you have made a profit so far, it is normal to get daily AVG's as low as 0.6. You wouldn't need many of those to burn your profit!

I like to turn everything into daily averages.. I think it's good to have a reference point.
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: cyberjaze on January 26, 2012, 08:47:35 AM
I got some referrals from neobux.  At first it seems nice and i can get my investment back, but as times go by, the referrals click lesser :(

Same here. But I guess it will be a good source in  a long run.

Correct me if im wrong. When you rent referrals, you can let the active once stay in your side. Therefore as time goes by, you can filter those who really clicks.

But now I am also experiencing the same problem..
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: ruicarlov on February 28, 2012, 01:06:55 PM
I find it kind of strange that you thinks it's difficult to find information in Neobux's forum.
That place is very active and every question I make gets answered in a couple of hours. There are also topics for "general doubts" that explain many things about referral renting, tips and strategies.

I think rented referrals are a great way to earn some $$ over there, especially for those that have trouble getting direct referrals. You just have to make a good management: renew the referrals for 240 days, check which ones are giving you losses and recycle them (plan the cost of recycling wisely) and you should have some profit. There are bad weeks and good weeks. But even if referrals stop clicking (it happens often that new refs "burn out") recycle those.
Many people can manage it sucessfully, why shouldn't we?
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: yanka50 on March 06, 2012, 10:02:02 AM
Rent refs only in PTC that have been around at least 3 months and start renting small amounts, don't go for 200+ refs at once.
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: sakam on May 28, 2012, 05:21:04 PM
 :'( u r 100% correct. I recently upgraded in neobux. As a standard member my ref avg is 1bout 1.5. (300 referals)
With the same referals upgraded to  Golden. Within a week my ref avg became 0.6.
I spended nearly 25 $ for recycle(within 15days. But even now also my avg fall down.
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: Pplaya123 on June 26, 2012, 10:32:40 PM
Very great advice! I've had my BEST referrals come from exchanges. But yeah you need to watch out for the people who don't stay active.. Also, I find that it isn't so bad to rent only a few referrals on sites that use a point system like neobux where you can use them to extend a few referrals pretty much free.
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: galihlp008 on August 19, 2014, 04:52:31 AM
Agree With You SIR, Because we Don't Know the Rent Refferal is A Bot or Real Human  ::question ! If a Bot, I Believe that the BOT is Controled by the Site Owner!  ::goodboy .
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: chan2020 on February 08, 2015, 11:41:29 PM
how long it has been since I opened this thread?  Wondering if these tricks are outdated.  :thinking:
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: Dav7 on February 10, 2015, 11:17:49 AM
Many topics are outdated on this forum :-/

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Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: sabbie on February 10, 2015, 03:04:08 PM
Important points to earn well on ptc.

1,Don't rent referrals and upgrade on any site you join.
2,Only give more priority to the sites which allows unlimited direct referrals
3,If you want to get referrals, exchange in ptc forums.
4,Check this forum for the referral offers.
5,When you want to join a site, check this forum whether any referral exchange or offer available for that site.  Because joining under our member is better than joining under someone else as it will help you and them.
6,If you want to join some site,  create a new topic
For e.g.: I am going to join ___.  If anyone already member on that site, please give your username.  I will join under you.
       
           It will help them and also you in the future. ;D

i don't see a thing outdated here ......
just ptc idiots got used to bots and scams   =:))

Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: Ayman on February 11, 2015, 07:43:37 PM
Many topics are outdated on this forum :-/

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 ;D Knowledge can never be outdated , If people really read and understand most of topics here , you wouldn't be asking questions today about bots and such things , Because such schemes would have died today as people made use of info that exposed such scams years ago , So basic ideas will always remain same only how they are applied and understood is what will differ from person to another
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: tictok7 on February 13, 2015, 04:02:54 AM
Whoops was this written by a ptc member or site owner...?

    to rent or not to rent referrals, the question to ask here are they real or bots, lazy or not...
    rented referrals are trial and error, some sites are good at it, others a mess. :o
    ie, as a site owner I do not qualify any member as a rented referral until they have been an active member consistently for 60+   
    earning days...so your not renting a zombie :-&   

    with regards to upgrades, maybe not from the start...if your are new to the site jump in swim around a bit swim:   
    ie. upgrades can be beneficial for the member, lower min cashouts, increased %earnings on downlines. more cash for direct referrals,   
    premium ad access, myself and a lot of site owners provide many perks to get your upgrades with no out of pocket money 

   priority to sites with no limits...is really what you're saying, direct referrals and upgrades are part of a sites tiered offers and incents
   for members...free-new members no real skin in the game 'yet', whereas upgraded active members that consistently earn get the site
   perks for no min cashout, 25% on downlines, unlimited referrals.increase in free ad credits, and personally I reward vested members
   with higher % payouts on all get paid to tasks on the site
    ::1cent
   
   trying to recruit decent referrals to increase either your downlines or site membership, maybe here is a start but don't limit yourself,
   search the web, lots of reviews, before you commit to any ptc/gpt sites sign in and look around, whether as member or site owner
   looking to advertise, take a look at what the site offers-earning potential,
   in their forum are the members :happy or are they ::swearing 

   Direct referral and word of mouth advertising can be the best, lots of sites out there and different packaging, and many may not be 
   the flavor of the month, you have to be your own best scout  ::popcorn
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: chan2020 on September 28, 2015, 05:49:17 PM
Whoops was this written by a ptc member or site owner...?

    to rent or not to rent referrals, the question to ask here are they real or bots, lazy or not...
    rented referrals are trial and error, some sites are good at it, others a mess. :o
    ie, as a site owner I do not qualify any member as a rented referral until they have been an active member consistently for 60+   
    earning days...so your not renting a zombie :-&   

    with regards to upgrades, maybe not from the start...if your are new to the site jump in swim around a bit swim:   
    ie. upgrades can be beneficial for the member, lower min cashouts, increased %earnings on downlines. more cash for direct referrals,   
    premium ad access, myself and a lot of site owners provide many perks to get your upgrades with no out of pocket money 

   priority to sites with no limits...is really what you're saying, direct referrals and upgrades are part of a sites tiered offers and incents
   for members...free-new members no real skin in the game 'yet', whereas upgraded active members that consistently earn get the site
   perks for no min cashout, 25% on downlines, unlimited referrals.increase in free ad credits, and personally I reward vested members
   with higher % payouts on all get paid to tasks on the site
    ::1cent
   
   trying to recruit decent referrals to increase either your downlines or site membership, maybe here is a start but don't limit yourself,
   search the web, lots of reviews, before you commit to any ptc/gpt sites sign in and look around, whether as member or site owner
   looking to advertise, take a look at what the site offers-earning potential,
   in their forum are the members :happy or are they ::swearing 

   Direct referral and word of mouth advertising can be the best, lots of sites out there and different packaging, and many may not be 
   the flavor of the month, you have to be your own best scout  ::popcorn

Written by a member.  May be I should have said 'Do so at your own risk'.
Title: Re: don't rent referals
Post by: chan2020 on September 28, 2015, 05:50:27 PM
Important points to earn well on ptc.

1,Don't rent referrals and upgrade on any site you join.
2,Only give more priority to the sites which allows unlimited direct referrals
3,If you want to get referrals, exchange in ptc forums.
4,Check this forum for the referral offers.
5,When you want to join a site, check this forum whether any referral exchange or offer available for that site.  Because joining under our member is better than joining under someone else as it will help you and them.
6,If you want to join some site,  create a new topic
For e.g.: I am going to join ___.  If anyone already member on that site, please give your username.  I will join under you.
       
           It will help them and also you in the future. ;D

i don't see a thing outdated here ......
just ptc idiots got used to bots and scams   =:))



Good to know that.  I think everyone along with their dogs must be having a ptc site now :D